Numbers don’t lie, and neither do gold buckles. That’s why you’re getting the chance to hear a second conversation with the one and only Clay Tryan. You listened to his episode more than almost any other we’ve recorded, and that’s no accident. His prolific win record is hard to top, and his winning attitude is worth studying and trying to understand.

We caught up with him as he prepares to rope at the Thomas & Mack, this time with Jake Long. He’ll be the third in his family to head for the quick throwing Kansas heeler in Vegas, and he’s got the same confident swag he’s always had going into the Finals.

With just two weeks until the start of the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo, here’s Clay Tryan.

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