We catch up with Denise Heinlein, resident instructor for the Monty Roberts International Learning Center and clinician Chris Cox at the Western States Horse Expo near Sacramento California on May 10 2019. Then we hear about how the horses Coffee and Cream, untouched until about two weeks ago, are learning to accept kind humans in their lives, and how they are teaching the next generation how violence-free horse training is the future. Listen in… Support the show